#SkinnyTok: "I Was Constantly Looking in The Mirror"

This week we're discussing the viral #SkinnyTok trend circulating through social media. When did the pendulum swing from body positivity back to body shaming, and why have we normalized correlating thinness with health?

Buckle in as we break down the ways these unrealistic body expectations have affected us personally, and how we attempt to combat the narrative that skinny is the ideal for everyone.

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Transcript

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Hey, I'm Noelle. And I'm Marissa, but Noelle calls me Pete. I do. And welcome back to Take It Home. Another week. Here we are. Here we are, you guys. But my socks look like geese today. Geese socks. Geese socks. But I guess if you're just listening, you can't see them. Sorry. Imagine that my socks look like geese right now. Well, socks look like geese. Okay. Imagine. Imagine. Imagination. Do you know what that's from? SpongeBob, I'm guessing. Yeah. He didn't watch SpongeBob. So literally, anytime I quote Spongebob, I say, Do you know what that's from? And then she just knows it's Spongebob because I only ask that with SpongeBob quotes. Yeah, for the most part. He's like sitting in a cardboard box trying to use his imagination, I think. And he goes, Imagination. And it makes a little rainbow when he does that. Anyways. Cute. Um hi y'all. Hey y'all. Here we are. Here we are. Another day. Why do I feel like we haven't filmed a sode in a long time? Because we I think it's been like almost an entire week. It's been over a week since we filmed the last one. Usually it's like within the week, you know? Mm-hmm. Just the way that we True. I feel like there was a period of time where we were filming a couple episodes a week, too. Were we? Um, sometimes we double up, like if we can't film one week. Yeah. But like think about it. I don't we've we don't have like a filming schedule. We just kind of pick a day out of the week where it works for Noelle and I. So some like if that's like one week, it's a Wednesday, and then one week it's a Monday, that's like a shorter period of time. But the last time we filmed was a Friday, and then now it's the following Sunday, like the Sunday after. That makes sense. So like some like, why do I feel like we haven't filmed in weeks? Yeah, it's been over a week. Here we are. Um Hey, hey. It is, I think this is our first episode of May. It is. Oh my gosh. Happy May, y'all. May the fourth be with you. Yeah. Wait, does this come out on May 4th? I think the 6th. Um May the 4th be with you. Happy Cinco de Mayo. Many th eventful things. Yeah. Wow. Whoa. First week. And happy early Mother's Day. Yes. I'm going home to North Carolina to see my mom. Aw, Polly. That is sweet. It is sweet. Sippy of the weekie. Sippy of the weekie is dun-da-da. Kombucha. Very easy for us to make this week. All I did, we didn't. Make it. All I did was unscrew the cap and pour it in a glass. Um, this is a I think the flavor is coconut strawberry asai. Shit. Asay. Asaai. Why did I say it that way? Um, I love kombucha. I'm a kombucha girl, but I haven't had it in a while. I haven't had it in a while either. Cheers. Cheers. Ooh. I love that flavor. That kombucha did a number on me. That kombucha did a number on me. Like a one, like a two, like three. That kombucha did a number on me. If y'all don't know, there's this guy on TikTok who makes these funny songs, but he's just like stomping on the floor and making a beat. And then so that one went viral, but then he came out with a new one. And Noelle and I have not been able to stop singing it. It's insane. It's sweet and it's sour. And I want to devour Mango Chutney. Yeah. Mango Chutney. I did that wrong. That's okay. Sweet and it's sour. And I want to devour Mango Chutney. Yeah. Mango Chutney. Yeah. I'm obsessed. It's so funny. And he's like, Mango Chutney! Yeah! It's so funny. Wait, apparently this guy is like an actual musician too, and works with like Wolfpeck, the band, and like is a does voiceover for some actual like cartoon TV show and stuff. And honestly, that makes sense because his songs are actually really good. They are really good. They're like funny, like stupid, like the ones we just sang, but they're catchy. Like I cannot get it out of my head. And then he drums with his feet and hands drums too. I'm like, that's hard. What a hundred percent. I cannot do that. He's definitely an insane drummer. Yeah, for sure. Um he's got a few. I hope he watches this. We love you. We're big fans. Sweet and it's sour. I want to devour Mango Chutney. Like, that's so funny. Mango. Wait, your dad commented. I posted a video of me singing that, and your dad commented and was like, wait, this is actually really good. Did you write this? So I forgot to respond. But if I haven't responded yet, and this is your first time hearing my answer, Tommy, um, the answer is no, I did not write it. But I wish I had. Um so funny. So yeah, um, that's our recipient of the wiki is kombucha. I also just want to say, I think it's it kind of surprises me that you like kombucha because you hate carbonation. Well, I don't know if you hate it. I is it the carbonation or is it more like the sweetness of soda that you don't like? Ugh, it's a mixture of both soda. Carbon, but I also hate seltzer water so much. I don't know why I like kombucha. I mean, I will say, like, I it's not my favorite drink ever. Like, I I don't drink kombucha and I'm like, mmm. I also more just drink it for the health benefits. Like, and it doesn't like it tastes good. I don't really know how to explain it, but I hate soda and I hate seltzer water. Because like I'll drink like beer too, or like sparkling wine. Well, kombucha is like less sweet. Yeah. So it has like a really balanced flavor. Soda tastes like just too sweet to me. It's like I feel like I'm drinking like melted liquid candy, and that grosses me out. I'm not a big candy person, anyways, either. Like, I like candy. I'll eat it, but I'm never like, mmm, like I want candy. Like, I'll eat it if it's presented to me, but I don't crave what's like your favorite candy? I don't know this about you because you don't really like candy. I will say I do like like nerd's rope, nerd's clusters. I don't eat them ever. Fun funnily enough, I did have a little bit of that last night because the family I was babysitting for had them, so I took some. Um, but like Sour Patch Kids are fine. I I like them. Would I ever buy them? No. But if they're presented to me, I'll eat them and I'll be like, mmm, good. But like I I'm more of like a I like pastries. I like ice cream, I like cake. I like actual dessert, not as much as candy. I really want to go to Butterfield Market and try the dot cakes. Wait, I went there the other day, but we just got the froyo. We should plan a day soon to do that. Okay. Because it looks so good. I can also get them first because the girl I'm nanning now goes to school on the upper east side, like right near there. So I can go to Butterfield Market and get us some. It'd be good content because they're like viral on TikTok right now. Okay. For us to try them. I don't have our red velvet one. That's what we want. Or should we get multiple? Maybe like multiple. Okay. Why not? Um, but yeah, there's these little cakes that are trending on TikTok right now. They're like in a cup, but they're covered with like sprinkles on the top. So they look like polka dot cakes. Just looks really yummy to me. Anyway. Smile of the week, smile, smile of the week. It I forgot that this was eligible for my smile because it was so long ago, but we haven't recorded since we did this. But Noelle and I planned a little date day um last week, last Saturday.

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Mm-hmm.

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And it was such just such a good day. We've been so freaking busy that like we really haven't been able to like have quality time. Like the most we see each other is when we work on podcast things, but like, which is great, but also it's like I don't want this to turn into like a business part like partnership. Like we gotta do things outside of the podcast. Yeah. So, um, and then like we'll see each other at night and like we'll watch TV, but you know, we just haven't like gone and done something together in a really long time. So we planned a day in advance, and we were like, okay, Saturday the 18th is Pete and Noel day. And we went to this cafe that I love. I had never been there during the day though. Um, this cafe kind of morphs into a wine bar at night, and I've been there for dinner twice, and it's really, really good. They have like a seasonal rotating menu, and you know. What a menu at night, too. Yeah, it's so good. You know, anywhere that has like a menu that changes a lot because it's like they work with seasonal stuff, you know it's gonna be good. Um dude, we still need to go to Stissing House. Yes. There's this restaurant upstate that we want to go to. We will. But anyway, we went during the day for the first time. It was like a pretty sunny day outside. We sat outside, we shared, we got so much food, of course. We spent like almost a hundred dollars on brunch. On brunch. And we didn't get any alcohol. This is all on food. But we each got uh like, or wait, what was it? Uh Dolce de Leche. Dolce de Leche Latte. We got we shared a slice of coconut cake, coconut and lemon cake. It had like a lemon curd. It was so good. So they have like all these pastries and cakes and stuff, but then they also have sandwiches. So then we split this mortadella cherry jam sandwich and it had like burata on it, too. Yeah, some sort of cheese like that. And then a breakfast sandwich that was a hot honey egg bacon sandwich on brioche bun. Oh! And we got an arugula salad. And we got an arugula salad to split because we were like balance. We need some something fresh. Um, so we just had a feast and had some quality time, and then was this gonna be your smile too? Or no? Yes. I feel like you're lying. No, I'm not lying. I was gonna mention less of the brunch and more of the Well, that's why I was asking, like, maybe you should talk about the next part. Okay, okay. So my smile of the week is also from our date day, but it is the second part of our day, which was the Brooklyn Botanic Garden Botanical? Is it botanic? I think it's botanic. The Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. Um, so beautiful. It was both of our first times going. Um I don't know why I assumed we would be the only two people there. I just like envisioned us like just the two of us under cherry blossoms, but it was so packed. Um yeah, it was funny because we were looking at the website right before we got there, and it was like, today will be the most busy day of the year. We were like, oh fuck. Because it was like maybe the first I don't know. Why, why? I guess because the cherry blossoms are not in season for that long. I think it's just like a like maybe a maybe less than a month, honestly. A few weeks. And it was a beautiful day, one of the first of spring. So I feel like that's why, but it did not take away from the incredible experience. Um, we saw these stunning, stunning, stunning, stunning cherry blossoms. So pretty. If you follow us on our accounts, you've probably seen some videos of them too. I like could not stop posting videos of them because they're so beautiful. It was like a magical fairyland. It literally was. And it was both of our first times. So even besides the cherry blossoms, there were so many other cute parts too. We saw so many beautiful flowers, lots of tulips. I loved the little Shakespeare garden where there were like Shakespeare quotes on plaques, like kind of hidden around, and all of these flowers. Oh my gosh, it was just so beautiful. And sometimes you forget, living in New York, that there are little um spots like this where you can go and connect to nature. And I felt very connected to nature there. It was very um, what's the word? Like it felt very hidden. Like you couldn't really see any roads or streets from it. It was just like, oh, so beautiful. Highly recommend the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. I think tickets are 23 per person. Um, if you live nearby, you can also get a year-long membership. I mean, you don't have to live nearby, but like don't get a membership if you're only gonna go like once. Um, if I lived close to there, Rodney lives close to there, I would get a membership for a year-long pass. So I could just go all the fucking time. What I liked and wasn't expecting about it was that there were like big open fields where you could just like sit, like as if you were you went to like a park or something. Like Central Park. So like you could go. It's not like you have to walk through all the time and like see everything and like treat like treat it like a museum, which you should do. But if you had like a membership or something, you could go and just like sit with a picnic blanket and like spend the entire day there. Wait, something I forgot to mention. Remember how Claire was saying, like, it would be so cute, like if you were an artist to go there and sketch? So Rodney, Rodney is my boyfriend for those of you who are new. His name is not actually Rodney, but that's what it is on the podcast. Um, Rodney sent me a like DM later on of a story of his favorite artist ever was there the same day we were drawing the cherry blossoms. Oh my god, no way. So I was like, wait, not us talking about how cute it would be to sketch and then Jared's favorite artist of all time sitting there sketching the cherry blossoms while we were there. I thought that was crazy. Wow. Um, but yeah, crazy something I loved too is they had like a garden, but it wasn't really I think feel like that's more of a summer thing. But you could walk through and see all of the things that were planted, like onions onions and garlic and herbs and everything, like tomatoes, um, but they hadn't like bloomed yet, but bloomed? Bloomed. I don't know if you can say that about I think produce, but low key, I don't know. Anyway, it was so cool. I want to go back on a day that's not as busy too, because we did go on a Saturday, but granted that's like when we had off. Yeah. So um, but yeah, that was my smile. I mean, my smile was the whole day because we had such a great day of quality time and fun. And we also like went thrifting too. Yeah, we stopped by some thrift stores, antique stores. We were so tired by the end of the day. I was like, goodness. I was dead. Yeah, and then we met our friend Claire who was in town for a couple drinks. We also got stuck underground on the train. Oh my god. We were on the L train, and the L train goes underwater from when it passes through like from Brooklyn to Manhattan or Manhattan to Brooklyn, it goes under the river. I don't know how they do that, but we got either stuck under the water for like 30 minutes. I did not enjoy that part. Luckily, we were sitting. Somehow, also, why is like the only underground spot that has cell phone service the one that's underwater? Yeah. Like literally, that's I always have cell phone service from first AV to bedford av. Literally under the water. And all of the other ones I don't. So that's weird. Funny. Also, I've decided Pete and I's next outing um and day of fun should be the Bronx Zoo. Apparently, it's like one of the best zoos ever. And it's the biggest one in New York City. So definitely go. We should go there over like Central Park and stuff for our first zoo experience here. They have giraffes. I'm like, what do you mean there are giraffes like just a few miles away from me? I know that's kind of funny. Like, I know that they're cat, like, I wonder, are they like I I'm I'm like, are zoos like problematic? I was absolutely doing this the other day because I love zoos. Because I love we both love wild animals. I guess they're not in the wild, but like we both love animals. I'm always fascinated by animals. I always loved the zoo growing up, like so fun. Um but I'm like, is that bad? Like, I don't know. I'm sure like at the Bronx Zoo, they're taken care of. I don't know. I'm doing some research. I definitely a lot of zoos are problematic, like when the animals are in cages, especially, and not don't have enough space to roam around. And sometimes I think about like the polar bears. I don't know if there are polar bears at the Bronx Zoo, but there are in the North Carolina Zoo. Same with the Detroit Zoo. Yeah. Fun fact, you guys, the zoo in North Carolina, I think, is the biggest one in the United States. Whoa. It's the North Carolina Zoo is huge and like so random. It's in Ashboro, North Carolina. At least I think it's the biggest zoo. That's a weird word. But um, like there are polar bears there. And in the summer, I'm like, aren't they so hot? Like, cause they're not inside, they're like half outdoors, half indoors. I'm sure they keep the water cold. I'm sure they like do stuff, but I'm like, shouldn't polar bears like not be in North Carolina? Did they have penguins there? Yeah. Like, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure that there are some zoos that are humane and like there are a lot of like wildlife rescue centers too that will have like like in North Carolina, there's also this place with like tigers and stuff. And it's like a wildlife, like big cat rescue center. But I'm kind of confused by that because I'm like, where did they come from? Because they couldn't have just been like, we're going to South America to rescue these tigers from the wild and bring them to North Carolina. Like, like, where were they rescued from? What does that mean? I'm sure there are some humane zoos, and I'm sure there are some inhumane zoos. SeaWorld is definitely inhumane. Poor orcas, they just want to be wanna free willy, y'all. There's also been like multiple attacks on the like whale trainers or like the people that do those shows. Um people have died from the whales, and I'm like, I don't know. It's crazy. Like, obviously, that's really awful, and like we'll like, we don't want people to be killed. But I'm like, is it because that they're being held captive? They're like agitated or like maybe I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. Wow, animals. Anyways, catch us at the zoo. Yeah. Wait, what were you gonna say? I was just gonna say animals are animals, like you just never know when a animal is gonna like um survival instincts are gonna come out. I think about that every time I hear of like a dog attack. Because it it happens a lot. Like there was a dog attack recently in New York. Did you see that? No. It was a dog, I don't know what kind of dog, like latched onto a four-year-old. It was like just walking down the street, it latched onto its leg and like would not let go. And there were a bunch of people on the street. This happened in New York like a couple months ago or last month. Yeah, like a tiny child. Um, there's so many stories of people's dogs that have been in their home for years that just like lash out. And don't get me wrong, I am a dog lover. You just never know. There was a bachelor, a former bachelor, Sean and Catherine, they got married. He came went on TikTok and told this whole story of their family dog that they've had known and loved, just one day attacked him out of nowhere. It was like crazy. But that's really scary, and I do not like that. I know. All that to say, you just animals are animals, yeah. And a lot of them aren't meant to be in captivation. Yeah. I will say my sister's cat bit the shit out of me a couple years ago. And but I think that's because this was when Toto, our other dog, was still alive, and we were trying to keep them separate. So I feel like Tux, my sister's cat, Loki, wasn't living the best life for a while. Like, obviously, he was being fed water. Me and my sister were in New York, my parents were in North Carolina, they didn't want a cat, but like they would like do the normal things now that the cat alive, now they love Tux. But Tux was kind of just like kept upstairs and not given enough love. He just wasn't played with as much. I don't think we I don't know. Tux and Toto were not getting along, so we kept them separate. Toto was the OG, and Tux just like wasn't being played with as much as he needed, I don't think. And so when I came home, like for Christmas, apparently if Kat's hunting instincts aren't being used, that's when they will start to attack. So I think it was he wasn't trying to hurt me. Maybe he was I don't know. But I mean he bit the shit out of my leg. It left a huge cut and a huge bruise on my calf. It was actually it was huge. I was like, I like screamed and I like cried. Like it was not a little cat bite. It I was like, is he trying to eat me? Like I was scared for a little, but I think it's because no one had like been playing with toys with him. Because it is in their instincts. So I feel like if you're giving animals a good life, like now he's played with all the time, and that doesn't happen anymore. And if he does bite, it's like a little nip. Um, but it's not like like he has not bitten. A chunk out of someone in a while. But yeah, I think that's why even though like house cats are small or like domestic cats, I don't what do you call them? Like house cats. Yeah. Um, that they can still like really hurt you. I feel like they can't say can't go, doesn't go for dogs. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like a small dog, can they really get that vicious? I don't know. Like probably cats can get vicious. Well, cats also have really sharp claws and their teeth are very sharp, too. And dogs, I don't know. Like, I can never like Luna. Even I feel like if Luna, my family dog, she's like a small dog. I don't know if if she tried if she could even be like that vicious. Yeah. I don't know. But I love I love animals. I do too. Um anyway, anyway. Let's see. Our topics are completely unrelated to all of these things. Talking about animals. We're talking about skinny talk today. So today we're gonna teach you guys how to get skinny. Just kidding. I am just kidding. That was a joke. Sorry if that's what you came here for. Um, yeah, we're not teaching you how to get skinny. Um, so I just hate that word. Skinny. It I just hate it. But anyway, can let's continue. So if you for those of you who might not know what skinny talk is, um, it was a viral hashtag on TikTok. Apparently, now it's banned. Did you know that? I did not know that. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. I don't know. That might be fake news, but a viral hashtag on TikTok where people were teaching you how to get skinny. Just hashtags of like what you should be eating, or not hashtags, but like if you go to skinny talk hashtag, it'll be all of these videos of what you should be eating to get skinny, what you how you should be working out to get skinny, how you should be living your life to get skinny. The whole point of skinny talk is how to get skinny, not how to be healthy, how to have a balanced life, how to incorporate nutrients into your diet. Literally, just all how to get skinny fast, pretty much. Which is obviously, maybe not obviously, because a lot of people subscribe to skinny talk, is not healthy for your brain or your body. And we're just gonna talk about it a bit today. I think it's interesting. I just will mention how like social media and TikTok specifically kind of we've talked about this before, but it like controls it kind of controls like society and like the way that we normalize certain things or like cancel certain things. And it's it's just like very interesting, yeah, how this like newer form of media is so intense. And I think it was a pendulum swing because of course we had like a lot of years of like body positivity, like, you know, embracing, you know, all different types of bodies and something like skinny talk would have been so canceled. Like if you were an influencer or someone coming on the internet, being like, you need to get skinny. Cause I think it's also the it's not just like like you were saying, like how to lose weight. It's like the energy around it is very like if you aren't skinny, like what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, like it's weird. Like you're in control of it. Like you're in control of how you look. And if you're not skinny, it's your fault and like you're not doing enough. It's perpetuating yourself. Yeah, it's perpetuating this really damaging narrative of like people who aren't like stick thin are like unhealthy or taking bad care of themselves or whatever. It's it's taking the attention away from like healthy lifestyle and how that looks different for everyone, and it's putting it more on being skinny. And I think it's the the energy surrounding skinny talk, which is uh is which is the huge problem. But the pendulum has definitely swung from like body positivity to now like being skinny is so like back quote unquote in. And yeah, body trends and all that. And anything that's an appearance-based trend, I mean, maybe not like clothing, but if bot one, okay, body type should not be a trend because that's not something that's just easily, it's not like your hair, like, oh, now it's in to have blue hair, so I'm gonna have blue hair. That doesn't affect your your physical health necessarily, but trying to get an entirely new body, get an entirely new body, is can be really unhealthy at times, depending on how you're doing it. Honestly, I think anytime, well, no, I take that back. I was gonna say anytime you're trying to look a certain way can be unhealthy. I don't necessarily think that. I think there are ways to like, if you want to be toned or want to lose weight or gain weight. I don't know. I have a trouble, trouble believing that anything that's appearance-based content can be healthy. I think that it's okay to have goals about like your body, but like you have to approach it in a way, in a healthy way, and that is such a fine line to toe because if you're motivated solely by solely by appearance, then you can get into territory of it being very unhealthy. It almost has to go hand in hand with like, yeah, I want to lose weight, or yeah, I want to be more toned, I want to like gain muscle or whatever. But like, there's a misconception that you can just go to the gym and do these things and like that's gonna give you the result you want. But like, if you want to gain muscle, you have to pair it with like the right diet, like you have to eat enough, like you have to and same with losing weight, like you have to pair it with the mindset of also being healthy. Yeah, that makes sense. Like it can't just be aesthetics, but I think it's okay to have those goals for yourself if that's what you want. But I don't think you should force it on anyone else, and I don't think it should be coming from a place of purely appearance. Appearance. Have you heard of orthorexia? No, orthorexia? Wait, I'm gonna make sure I'm saying this. Something with your mouth? No, but that's funny that you asked that. Um, wait, let me make sure I'm saying the right thing. Orthorexia. Yeah, orthorexia. So Google defines orthorexia as an obsession with healthy eating associated with restrictive behaviors. So it's a type of eating disorder, but that one is often more hidden because it's like being obsessed with going to the gym and eating healthy. So a lot of people would assume that that's just a healthy lifestyle. But when it's orthorexia is when it kind of crosses the boundary of being an obsession. Like you wake up and all you can think about all day is like the gym, what I'm eating today to make sure. Honestly, I low key think I was experiencing a bit of this a couple years ago. Um, I mean, I can talk a bit about my journey. This was before Skinny Talk, but like in back in 2020, I lost a ton of weight and I was doing it quote unquote healthy. Like I think I was eating enough and eating a lot of nutritious foods, and I was working out a lot, and I lost a lot of weight doing that. However, looking back, it was the only thing I ever thought about. I was constantly looking in the mirror at my body, body checking, which is kind of a um a sign that you're maybe not doing things for the right reasons, not for health, but more how you look. And the other thing is I would always get freaked out that I looked the exact same that I did before, which my before, I mean, now I'm back to before pretty much. Like, but I was always like, what if I still look the same that I did? Like, can people even tell? I I was just so concerned about how I looked. And I think at the time I thought I was being healthy because I was like, I'm eating. It's not like I'm not eating or making myself throw up and like I'm working out and it's healthy, but it was all I thought about for a while. All I thought about was how my body looked. And looking back, that was not healthy. And I think that like I'm lucky because a lot of people experience flat out eating disorders where like anorexia, for example, when you stop eating or bulimia, but orthorexia is definitely another thing that can be stemmed from skinny talk. And that one is a little more hidden because people might not know that they're being unhealthy because you if you are eating and working out, that seems healthy, but it might not be healthy mentally to you. Like you can't really enjoy life if you're constantly wondering how much you weigh, like weighing yourself every single day. Of course, maybe like if if you're dealing with health issues and your doctor says, hey, you need to lose weight or else you're gonna have heart problems. That's a different story. But when you're looking in the mirror to make sure you look a certain way and weigh a certain amount so you can fit into this extra small size, I think that's when it becomes a bit of an issue. And skinny talk, it was just not, I could see so many people getting unhealthy habits. I would see videos of girls being like before I started losing weight, and they're before I thought would be the after. Like I'd be like, oh, she looks good, and then it would be like after, and suddenly they're like so much smaller. I saw recently, it was actually funny because it was the day that we were talking about maybe doing an episode on this. This woman, she has I don't remember her name, but she showed up on my for you page for whatever reason, and she was just like lip-syncing to this audio, and the audio was her looking at the camera in like a judgmental way, and her and she was like fat, like basically saying, like, looking at the camera and being like, Yeah, you watching this, like you're fat, aren't you? Wait, I saw this too. And it was just that, it was just her going fat. And then all the comments were like, I feel seen, like, wait, stop. And it's just like, what the fuck? So I went on her profile and she has this whole business called the skinny mindset. And it's just like a such a it's such a fine line because I I am very into like healthy lifestyle. I follow a lot of influencers who like move their bodies a lot and like have a lot of food content of like healthy, nutritious foods, but like it gets to a point, like I was saying before, when it's not just healthy living and it's like the point is to be skinny. Yeah. Like that's not a great message to be spreading at all, especially because all bodies are different too. Like, some people's bodies are physically not made to be quote unquote skinny. Like you can lose as much weight as possible, and you still might not have the body that another quote unquote really skinny person has. It's like everybody's bodies are different. Why don't we just celebrate that? Also, I would like to bring up the word fat. Yeah. Because a lot of people use it as an insult as well. And I don't understand why society has created that to be an insult. It's just another body type, like sit telling people, like, oh, you're fat as an in it's like, okay, like why does that have to be an insult? Why can't somebody just like why can't it be like neutral? Neutral, yeah. Like, why is skinny good and fat bad? It's just like, and people will, yeah, there's a lot of black and white thinking with it too. Like fat bad, skinny good. And same with foods, like donut bad. Like if you're eating a donut, you're being bad today. Or it's like, no, or maybe you just want to eat a donut. Do I think that it it's a spectrum and it can go too far on either end? Yes, I think that also a lot of eating disorders can be the opposite, too, where it's like binge eating, um, overeating, like life is about balance. And one thing that actually really helped me a few years ago was a friend telling me, like, she tries to think about putting healthy foods in rather than taking unhealthy foods out. I love that. And that really changed my mindset. I was like, oh, I don't need to be as restrictive. Of course, everybody's different. Maybe if you are someone who um binges a lot of food, that is something you could talk to a doctor about. I'm like, I don't want to say anything wrong on this podcast either. But that's how I've tried to see it. Like, oh, okay, rather than being like, no dessert for me today, why don't I just make sure I get all my fruits and vegetables and protein and healthy grains in? And then if I want to have a bit of dessert at night, I will. Yeah. I will say I have not been exercising as much as I would like to be recently. And I don't really know where I was going with that. I want to exercise more. But like don't not be obsessive with it. You want to exercise because you want to be healthy, healthy, not because you want to be skinny. Exactly. Like I just feel like the narrative in the media has gotten taken too far in the direction of like the goal is skinny and not the goal is healthy, because everyone's healthy body looks different. And you can also fluctuate in a healthy body. Like you can be healthy when you're, you know, not what's the how am I trying to say that? Like you can have many, like one person can have many versions of a healthy body for themselves. Like if you're fluctuating in your weight or your habits or whatever, it doesn't mean you're unhealthy. Um also apparently women go through a second puberty, like later on, where like our hips get wider or something. I don't know. I felt that way, like, or seen changes in myself in that way. I've heard that, yeah. Um, also, when I was listening to the Psychology of Your Twenties skinny talk episode, um, Gemma, who hosts it, shout out, You're awesome. She was talking about how her whole life, like, people have been making fun of her by calling her fat and stuff, and how like I guess people will still say it, but she's like, she literally ran a half marathon recently, and she's like, I eat healthy, whatever that means to her. Like, I eat nutritious foods. I literally have been training for a half marathon marathon. I ran one and she's still not quote unquote skinny, but she's obviously healthy if her body's able to do all of these things and she, you know, isn't having health issues. She's running a freaking marathon. Yeah, you know, it's like skinny does not equal healthy and yeah. Well, that's true too. Yeah, you could be skinny and not be in the best of health, you know. Whatever. If you're not, if you are not fueling your body, you can't do things. Like you can't live honestly, if you're not fueling your body enough. You have to eat to have energy to do things. Yes, there's also a point where you can be overeating. Oh my god, like that video of my strange addictions, this one woman who only eats cheesy potatoes, she doesn't eat anything else. Like that sounds like How is that possible? I don't know. I always wonder on those shows, there's so many episodes of people who like eat weird things. And I'm like, How are they alive? Like, what do you mean? Like, yeah, this one girl I think was obsessed with eating her dad's ashes after he died. Her husband's I remember that one. Yeah, there was like a woman who ate rocks or something, a woman who would eat like laundry detergent. How okay, how do you do that and not die? I don't know. I don't get it. That's like I'm genuinely curious. It might be fake. Maybe some of them are fake. Maybe, but like cheesy potatoes. I'm like, how would she need other like things in your body? Like, yes, I'm confused by it because she won't eat anything else besides sweet cheesy potatoes. That's crazy. Um, anyway, anyways, yeah. I think the narrative skinny talk is really bad. And also, social media has given me insecurities I didn't even know existed. Like hip dips for the city. You talked about this, yeah. Like, which if you don't know what hip dips are, don't go googling them because it doesn't matter. There's always something new. Like, also about I don't know if you see this kind of stuff, but like categorizing your thing, like high contrast versus low contrast. What does that mean? It's something about your coloring. Like, do you have like are your features in high contrast to like your skin, or is it low contrast? And like what the hell does that mean? Or like there's this thing called the kibbi body types that popped up on my thing. It's like there's all these different body types, and it's I always see these these things of like how to categorize yourself. There was also something about like the space between your like lip and your nose, and like the space of and I'm like, what do you can we just live? Like, do I have to think about my appearance so much? It's so fucking insane. And they're all social constructs too. Like back in ye olden days and mid medieval times, I it was um trendy to be quote unquote fat or chubby because it showed that you um had more money because you were able to eat better than everybody else. Like it all is just made up. Why can't we all just go to the doctor and figure out what's healthy to us and then do that rather than try to look like people who aren't us? Also, sorry, were you gonna say something else? No. Something else that's been kind of concerning is, and I don't like to talk about other people's bodies, but I will just say, like, celebrities. If you look, watch some recent red carpets, I think that this a lot of celebrities have been getting really, really maybe just like looking skinny to the point where it looks maybe a little concerning, unhealthy. And I'm like, is it these GLP ones? Like, that's something we need to talk about too. And I don't know enough about that to talk about that right now, but I I know that it's it's a trend. I see ads for it on the subway, like it's some normal thing. I think that if for certain people, maybe you know, it's good and it makes sense, but I think maybe we're abusing it. And I don't want to speak on it too much because I don't know a lot about it. Yeah. But like I think the image, there was this trend in the 90s called heroin chic. Yeah. Which what a fucked up name to begin with. Heroin chic. But like just these actresses, models that looked that were just so skinny to the point where they looked like a drug addict. I hope that doesn't sound problematic. But that's that was, you know, that's what it is implying. And now I feel like we're kind of getting back to that um where a lot of people just, and I don't know anyone's specific situation, but a lot of people are looking very, very, very thin. Yeah. And it's just not putting a great image out there for women and young women and women in general who are looking up to these celebrities, models, whatever. Um, just it just doesn't look healthy. Dude, I recently, I'm like, I might not want you to keep this in, but I'm just gonna say it. I think I told you I was shopping with someone recently, and um she was trying on a skirt, and then she like handed it to me and asked me what size it was, and I told her, and she was like, oh my god, I'm so fat. And the size skirt she was wearing was the size I normally wear, and also like sh she's like actually really not at all. And also, what is wrong with being fat? These are the thoughts that always go through my head. Like people are so scared of being fat, and it's like okay, like what why is why does it have such a negative connotation? Why is that considered so unhealthy? And also the fact that a lot of people who consider they consider fat to be a size that is actually like a completely normal average size, it's all messed up. So oh my gosh, like people being like, oh, I'm so fat. It's like one, you're not, you actually wear an average size, but two, why is that negative also? It's like so layered. Yeah. And then there's the layer of can you blame people for saying that, thinking that, using that language when society just hammers it into you that it's bad, bad, bad. And it's like, what does it stem from? It's like the media, the businesses that want to profit off of your insecurities. It's like just insane. Like it is so layered, and it's hard to like blame a woman for saying or thinking those things. It's not saying that you were blaming, I think you were just laying the facts of like this is what happened, and it's like, why do we think this way? But it's like for an observation. Yeah, an observation, but like you can't even blame someone for that. But I think you can be conscious of like what you say and the language. You use and like the context, what you're implying with your language. I think that I try to be aware and and careful about how I it's actually funny because the little girl that I nanny and she's a kid, so whatever, but it's like she said something about she was like, Okay, I have two questions for you. And for one, you have to answer yes, and the other you have to answer no. And she was like, Are you fat? And then like whatever you answer, then the next question is, Are you lying? So either way, you're calling yourself fat. And I was like, and I had to I was this happened a couple days ago, and I was like, Well, fat isn't that's not a bad thing. Like, and it's hard to teach a kid that when literally from the age of six, seven, eight, you're taught that like fat is bad, or like haha, you're fat, like or your mom's so fat, this, this, that. Like, it's like a a joke a kid joke, too. And it's like I had to be like, well, it's not bad to be fat. And then she just didn't say anything, and you just kept walking, and you know, it I was like, well, fat's not bad. Because it's so hard to like knock out that narrative that's just taught fed to us from childhood. I think that we should all just try to look like the healthiest versions of ourselves. Yeah. Whatever that means. And I don't even mean like see that even saying that sounds problematic, but I don't because people will associate health with looking a certain way, but I literally just mean healthiest. Like, and that means sometimes eating more for some people, yeah, gaining weight for some people, or maybe not even weight. I think it's moving your body in a way that feels good for you because moving your body is is good for you. We all need it. If that's stretching, if that's going on a walk, if that's lifting weights, if that's doing yoga, if that's running, like it's not gonna be the same for everyone. Whatever it is for you that makes you feel good, pairing that with eating enough and eating nutritiously and not restricting yourself too much mentally, that's health. And whatever your body looks like when you're doing those things is what your body looks like. Um, like for me, I've talked about this on the podcast too. Like, I've been trying to eat a low FODMAP diet. Um, but that's literally just because I have serious stomach issues, and it's more of foods that are anti-inflammatory and things that are less likely to cause uh an intolerance reaction. So literally like onions and garlic. But it does also happen to cut out certain things like gluten and breads and stuff. That's for my gut health, which is less like I don't think about what my body looks like. I more think like sometimes when I eat onions and garlic, it makes me feel terrible. And I don't want to feel terrible. It's different when you have like an intolerance or an allergy. Yeah. Obviously, like not eating those things that cause those reactions from your body is gonna make you feel healthier. So it's just, I think we also associate the word health with like appearance or looking a certain way, and that's not necessarily true either. So it's just like all of these things that we've been fed through fed, fed through media and the soci our society for years and years and years. I will say also, okay, I know Pete, you're probably right. We probably shouldn't talk too much about GLP ones because I'm also not super informed. I think, well, weren't they were originally created, I believe, for diabetes patients. Well, and that's what I I kind of prefaced that with saying they probably are very helpful to some people who need them. But I think people who don't necessarily need them, whatever that means, are just using them now for the sole purpose of losing weight. So it's like I can think of a couple of people who have used them to lose weight who really did not need it. Like I can think of certain people who I know personally, no one that I'm close to, but just people I know of who have done Ozimpic or something who really did not need like we're already an average looking person who did it just to get quote unquote skinny. And that's where I think it can also cross a line. Yes, I like I think there are definitely times when people could benefit from GLP ones, I'm sure. I'm not informed enough, but I fear it has been taken too far, and some people that do not need them for their health are for their health, exactly, are that's a good way to put it taking them to get skinny. It just becomes so normalized too. Yeah. Like the fact that I just see like ads for it on the subway, like how how is it how is it so accessible? I feel like can anyone just go and do that? Like pretty much. I feel like that's weird. I mean, I don't know. I don't, I don't know, but I just feel like it's very normalized all of a sudden. Mm-hmm. And it's different from plastic surgery. Because obviously that's a whole other conversation, but like that's not affecting your health necessarily. But I'm like, is something that's making you skinnier when you don't need to be doing that for your health, is that making you less healthy? Because like you're not, I don't know. I just don't know. Dude, there are times when I compare, not I don't do this often because luckily I am pretty aware of like how I felt during the time when I lost a lot of weight. And like I was still enjoying life. And like I was, I was super fit and active and in a somewhat healthy way. But I think about like sometimes I look back at pictures of those times and I'm like, damn, like, why don't I look like that anymore? Like, I wish I looked like that. And then I think about it and I'm like, one, do I want to be living a life where all I think about 24-7 is what my body looks like? And two, that was also during COVID times and I had nothing going on. Like, I yes, I do wish I was exercising more, and I need to, I think I need to just incorporate it into my schedule more. Like, be like, this day I'm gonna do yoga. This day I'm gonna go for a long walk. Like, yes, what you were saying earlier, Pete, exercise does not have to look like I'm gonna train for a marathon. No, even though it can for some people. Shout out to Sarah. I like to just think of it as moving your body too. Literally, that kind of like makes it lower stakes. I went on a long walk recently for my exercise. I love long walks. Walking is so good for you. It is so good for your for the average person, maybe not for everyone, but I was like, I really feel like moving my body, but I don't feel like doing anything that's like high intensity. So I just like went on a walk for 45 minutes and it was awesome. Um, and that's so good for your mental health, too. Exercise is also good for your mental health. And eating nutritiously, but not eating enough is not good for your mental health. How can you focus or even think? Your mind and body are so connected. They are so yeah, anything that you're doing to fuel one will really help the other to kind of help the other along. And it's important. I was gonna ask you a question about like your experience. Oh, do you find that like when you start seeing results, like aesthetic results from like moving your body and eating nutritiously, whatever, that it kind of amplifies this anxiety of like, well, gotta keep this going. Yeah, 100%. And you know what's funny? I didn't even notice aesthetic results. I was only, at least for a while, I was only noticing results. I would weigh myself like every single week. So you were noticing numbers. So I was seeing the numbers going down, but I would look in the mirror and I would need a lot of validation from like other people. Like people were telling me, like, oh my god, Noelle, like you look so skinny. And I'd be like, Oh, I guess like I do if people are noticing. Like, and so like I knew, but at the same time, I kind of didn't. So you still had this like dysmorphia. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah, I remember asking someone one day when I had lost like a ton of weight. I was like, Are you sure that I look any different? Like, I don't, I don't look the same as I did in college, right? And she was like, What? Like, no, you look so much skinnier. And people were telling me I looked like good all the time, which like is also valid, like I guess, but it's also like, what is your situation is so interesting because you were being healthy about it physically, but mentally you weren't. And it's like, how do you how do you think if someone is struggling with that, where yeah, they're moving their body in a way that makes sense for them and they're not they're eating enough and they're eating well and whatever, but they are struggling with the mental part of it? Like, how do you think you did you consciously kind of get yourself out of that, or did it just life took over because you moved to New York and life? Do you have advice for someone who might be experiencing that? Like, how do you shift because it's like we were saying, it's such a fine line. Because, like, how can you be doing everything right physically, but then like, fuck, my thoughts are not serving me and this isn't healthy. Like, how do you incorporate that balance of mindset back in? Well, you know what's interesting for me? I don't even know if I've ever like really talked about this. I kind of stopped being obsessed with it when I went on anxiety meds. Like, as soon as my anxiety meds started kicking in, I was no longer like super strict. I think it looking back, it might have been kind of an OCD thing too, without me even noticing. Like, cause I would be anxious if I didn't get my workout in, or like I'd be like, I have to do this today, or else the black and white of like, if I don't like work out today, like it's gonna ruin my entire Yes, exactly. Which isn't the case. And so I think that low-key, like, and I didn't even know that it was a mental health thing until looking back after. Like, I was like, oh, like wow, I was really obsessed with how my body looked and working out. So I think part of it was OCD. Now that I've been diagnosed with OCD too, I'm like, okay, yeah, definitely. Because I would like freak out if it wasn't if I wasn't eating this and this and this. And like, yes, sometimes it's good to like have a schedule and be like, I want to try my best to work out these days, but I would like be mad at myself and like so anxious if like I did one thing wrong. And I was very specific. Like, I'd be like, okay, Saturdays are my day when I can cheat and like drink alcohol. And like then those days I was like fine because I had set it in advance for myself, but I didn't leave any room for myself to have spontaneity. Like, I remember I planned like a few days in advance that I was gonna eat a donut one day. Yeah, interesting looking back, but so I think part of it low key was getting on Prozac for me. So maybe it's a deeper mental health issue than just like shifting your perspective or your mindset. Like, yeah, because for me it was yeah, deeper than that. I mean, I think there are ways to. I think if you notice yourself body checking a lot, which is something I did constantly, aka looking in the mirror, turning to the side, making sure your stomach looks flat or whatever in whatever way you're body checking. If you're looking at for me, it was that. For me, it was like, okay, is my stomach looking flat? Like, okay, it is or it isn't, or like I took so many pictures of myself too all the time, or like I'd take videos, like, like put the camera, step back, like literally like look at my stomach, and then go and like look at the video. And I would do that like multiple times a week, weigh myself every week. I was just a little obsessed with it, and I don't think people really knew that either, because this kind of stuff is very easy to hide. And I didn't think that I was doing anything wrong. I was just kind of like, slay, like my body's tea, but I was also a it was all I thought about. Um and so I guess if you start noticing those habits, if you wake up in the morning and you're immediately thinking about like what like if you start planning out your day all day, like what you're gonna eat, if you feel like you can't enjoy going out to eat or going on vacation or something because you're so worried about not eating healthy, if you're well, if these things are stressing you out, I think that that's what it says. Cause if you're someone who wants to bring routine onto a vacation, like if you're like, I'm still gonna eat healthy, like if, for example, if you're traveling to Italy and you're like, I'm going to like, you know, eat my fruits and vegetables, but I'm also gonna eat this pasta, that's one thing. But if you're like, fuck, like I I ate that pasta, or like, uh, like I'm stressed, I need to get this many steps in before I have pasta for dinner, then that's maybe a sign that you're dealing with something a little deeper than like that's when it kind of crosses into an unhealthy kind of boundary. If you're overthinking it, which I was. Um, and I think at that point, notice that. And then if you're able to go to therapy, I recommend that. I say that knowing that therapy can also cost money too. So I feel like I don't even know how to give advice on this because for me it was really like I like more of a medical mental health issue. Yeah. And it really has not been. I mean, of course, I still experience it sometimes and like feel insecure about my body. I was feeling really insecure about my body like last week randomly. I was like, I don't know, whatever. But point is it really stopped my obsession with it. Like now I am not really upset. I mean, I'm a little getting down on myself because I'm like, why have I not been exercising? Like, ugh, but also like I'm working three part-time jobs and I'm auditioning and doing this podcast, and I'm like, you know what? It's all right. I yeah, and we're still walking around in the city getting exercise, anyways. See, now I'm like, am I obsessing about it right now? Literally, maybe, because I'm like, well, but I am exercising in some ways, but not in too much, you guys. Too much. Yeah, life is a lot, and I think uh health is just a very nuanced thing in general. But it's hard too because like sometimes people do work hard to get a certain type of body or to lose weight, and it's like they want I don't know. Like, I see posts online of people I know who are like before and after. Like, this is when I started training with this person and getting stronger and healthier, and I'm like, okay, like that is also awesome. Right. Well, I would say like trying to lose weight or losing weight is not inherently unhealthy. Yeah. Let's just make that clear. It's there's a way to do it healthily and there's a way to not. So you just have to know what, like whether or not it's healthy for you, for whatever, you know. And bringing this all back to what we what stemmed or what uh started this conversation is skinny talk. And it's the the mindset around it and the approach, I guess you take. Skinny talk just does not perpetuate a a good a good one, in my opinion. What about healthy talk? There's healthy talk. There's nothing wrong with whatever you want to do with your body, whether it's for aesthetics or it's just to feel better, or if it's to whatever, look a certain way. It's just like there's always a healthy way to do something, and then there's a unhealthy way. And I think a lot of it is physical habits, but it's also mental, like you were saying. I have a question for you that you don't have to answer on the part if you don't want to. Okay. But I'm like, how do I even word this? I know you felt the opposite as me in some ways, where like growing up, you have always been quote unquote skinner. I know, like, I don't even want to use that word. Like, and you have had people comment on that, and now skinny talk is like in and a thing. Like, I don't know, how do you feel about all of this personal? Like, does this affect you personally? Like, um, so I yeah, so I've always been a small person. That's just like my body. I guess my body doesn't fluctuate too much based on the habits that I have or the phases I go through. But like obviously I've grown and I'm like a woman now. But when I was a kid, I was always like very skinny. And um, it wasn't until maybe I was like 17 or 18 that I had any sort of like butt or like or butt or boobs. Like I guess I had like boobs, but like lol. Sorry if you're like my family watching this, but that's just my body. Like I've just always been like a petite girl, and but it took me a while to like accept that because I always had the opposite problem. And I know some people think this is annoying, but I think that people should be able to talk about this too, because I think there's also like a skinny shaming thing that happens in on TikTok too. I saw it the other day. There was a girl who was very small and skinny, and people in her comments were like, Why don't you eat something? Like, and it's and then other people were replying to that, being like, Why don't we stop commenting on people's bodies in general? Like, there are skinny people, there are small people that exist. Like, oh my god, there was something Aeropostel just released a triple zero size or something, and people were like, What the fuck? Like, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay, is this like perpetuating the narrative of like maybe you should try to fit into this size? Or is it making smaller sizes for the small people who do exist? You know, it's again a fine line. But anyway, when I was younger, I was really insecure about like being skinny, which is, I don't know. People might find that annoying. But um, like people would make comments about my body. Like when I was like middle school, like I, yeah, I was very like, I was also like taller, so I was like lanky. I always had like long legs, and I ended up growing into my body, and I don't feel insecure about it anymore. But it took me a long time to accept the fact that like I'm not this like curvy bombshell body type, and that's fine. Like, I I feel kind of like this neutrality about my body that slightly we love neutrality right now. I mean, I like my body, like, but I don't think about it that much. It didn't always feel that way for me. So I'm like trying to think, I don't even know like what I did to I I think it's just like I was a skinny kid, and then I became a woman and grew into my body, and then I was like, oh well, I like my body now, like whatever. But those comments of the word skinny from when I was a kid and not feeling as great about my body definitely kind of like stuck with me. So I always hated the the word, and like when I think of skinny talk and how it relates to me now personally, there are times where I'm like, whoa, have I like gained weight, or like my stomach isn't as flat as it used to be, and then I have to be like Marissa, like stop. Like you are, you're fine, like whatever. Like, you know what I mean? Am I I'm totally rambling, like I don't even know what I'm saying right now. No, I hear you though. I think I will say, even as someone who is smaller and like grew up getting picked on for being skinny and whatever, like I still have moments of like, oh my stomach. And I always used to like love my stomach. And I think it's just crazy that even people who are small think they need to be skinnier, and it's like I always wanted to be less skinny, like I always wanted more muscle, more like more of an ass, whatever. And I don't feel that way anymore. Like I but booty has been popping recently. Anyway, all that to say, even as someone on the more petite side, I still feel like sometimes those things get into my head because of how skinny everyone is looking right now. And I'm like, I I'm also like really just normal. I'm not like stick thin. And you're not trying to be anything like this is your healthy body. Right. You exercise, you eat three meals a day. Like you are someone who like really prioritizes health and eating enough. Yeah. And so like this is your natural body. Yeah. And someone else's natural body might look completely different. Right. Yeah. That's interesting. I remember like you and I talking about body insecurity like years ago, maybe back in 2020, because we both have different bodies. Like, I grew up with like accentities low key, which like in times has been. I mean, it's all bodies apparently go through different trends. So right now, my body type is not trending. I'm like, okay, guess we don't like the butts and the boobs anymore. But like, um, I remember us talking about it because we were both wearing bikinis. We were like swimming in it was either the ocean or maybe when we went to Lake Tahoe, and we just like had this conversation about body insecurity. And I like could not fathom you feeling insecure about your body too. Because I'm like, uh, like my butt and my boobs are big, and like I'm not it is almost impossible to have big butt, big boobs, and super flat stomach, which is and so like stomach what like isn't flat either. And I was just feeling insecure, and you were like, that's so funny because I feel the opposite. I feel like I don't have butt or boobs, and it makes me feel like uh not uh not womanly enough. Or I remember you saying something like that, and I was like, whoa, I didn't even think that that opposite was there. And then we were just like literally circling back to the conversation we're having now. Can we all just shut the fuck up and just like have whatever body type we have, like it doesn't make any sense? Well, yeah, I think that just goes to show like that's a perfect example of like there's always going to be something that someone says you should change about your body, or that could be better. That's there's always gonna be something that someone's trying to sell to you, or because these companies just want to make money, it's all capitalism too, or consumerism. Consumerism, I think I'm trying to think of like consumerism is so scary nowadays. You can buy things so quickly. Amazon is scary. Yeah. I do I don't understand Amazon. I do use Amazon, which sorry guys, where are these things coming from? But anyway, yeah, I think the fact that we have such different body types and have experienced similar but different journeys of like accepting our bodies and whatever, like just goes to show it doesn't matter what you look like because the media is always gonna tell you that there's something wrong with it. And I think it's just everyone's personal journey to like self-love and figuring out how to feel your best and be healthy mentally and physically, and it's not gonna be the same for everyone, and it's just a thing you have to do for yourself. Don't try to look like somebody else. Like, I mean, uh easier said than done. But like it's it's just like this world where we're all trying to look like the same person. Like it's like one, who even is that? Two, why what happened to individuality? Why is like also, I was I saw this TikTok recently about how um getting plastic surgery and looking a certain way is also a sign of like class status. Because like if you look a certain way, it means you have enough money to be getting all of these plastic all of these surgeries, all these beauty enhancements and whatnot. And I thought that was really interesting too. Like yeah, a lot of these celebrities look quote unquote beautiful in a certain way because they have the money to be able to afford all of these treatments. So, like, what let's not compare ourselves to unrealistic standards. Yeah. Oh my gosh, it's so crazy. I know, bro. I'm like, don't even know what else to say. I'm just like, yeah, goodbye, skinny talk, stop it. Yeah, we don't like you. So the take-home is there's nothing wrong with you, and there's gonna be something that someone tells you you need to change about yourself or could look better, or this or that, and it's like it's just never gonna end. It's a never-ending cycle. So I feel like as long as you feel good and healthy and are fueling your body and moving it and whatever, fuck skinny talk. Fuck skinny talk. Yeah, I think also if you notice yourself becoming obsessed, like if all you can think about is what you're eating and if you're working out and constantly checking your body in a mirror, then that might be a sign to take a step back. And that doesn't mean that you necessarily have to, you know, stop your journey of whatever completely, but maybe just think of the reasons why you're doing it and what's actually healthy for your physical and mental health versus like what are you doing just to like try to compete with these online trends. Thanks for listening. Thank you. I know that conversations like this can be a bit overwhelming and like triggering. So go do something to love yourself and know that you're beautiful. All right. You can follow us at Take It Home Pod on Instagram and TikTok. Go do that. 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